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welcome to the skeptic zone

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the podcast from australia for science

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and reason

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yes it's the skeptic's own podcast

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episode number

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578 for the 10th of november 2019

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richard saunders here with you from

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sydney australia

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coming up on the skeptic zone this week

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part three of the cycon interviews with

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rob palmer

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and thank you very much to rob for

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taking the time out

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during cycon to do these interviews so

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we could all enjoy

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hearing from various people and speakers

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who were there

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following that i talked to dr steve

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roberts a very

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long time member of the skeptical

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community here in australia

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now dr steve used to work as a code

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breaker

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and he has in his possession a wonderful

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bit of kit

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a wonderful bit of machinery called the

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m209

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cipher machine from world war ii and

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this is what the americans

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used uh while the germans were using the

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famous enigma

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the americans were using the m209

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and i got to use one when visiting steve

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roberts in fact

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he bought his particular one from dr

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simon singh

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the famous british skeptic and brilliant

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anyway a little bit of a variation this

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week in the skeptic zone as we look at

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the m209

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cipher machine following that it's tim

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mendom the editor of the

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skeptic the journal from australian

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skeptics with part one

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of a new series called the hole in the

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pole

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and this is all about people who think

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is hollow not flat

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obviously a globe

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but it's hollow inside then to round off

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the show we chat to michelle bickers ma

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from the vic skeptics about some of the

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guests

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coming along to skepticon 2019

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a very short few weeks away

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international and local speakers galore

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now you might remember on last week's

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episode we spoke to michael marshall

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about moves in the uk to put another

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nail in the coffin of homeopathy

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i mean homeopathy is it's the corpse

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that keeps on reanimating it's dead

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it's not quite buried though i mean it

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you can't kill something that was never

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information has come to light

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and i'll link to this in the show notes

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where some reporters went to visit

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various homeopaths with sneaky cameras

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something you can't do in australia

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anymore you can't wear a hidden

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recording device a hidden camera and um

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bust people

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in the old days years ago and even

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members of australian skeptics were

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involved with some

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similar sort of thing uh visiting

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naturopaths with hidden cameras to hear

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them give outrageous advice well in the

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and various reporters went undercover to

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seek the advice of homeopaths when it

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came to vaccination and it's a disgrace

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that these homeopaths it's no surprise

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it's fully expected but it's a disgrace

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that they would be telling

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people not to vaccinate their children

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we've heard but these homeopaths of

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stock and barrel anyway i'll link to

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that story in the show notes

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and now it's time for me to run

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downstairs and have some nice

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cheddar cheese with chili

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and maybe a little bit of chocolate what

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do you think while i do that i hope you

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the skeptic zone

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hi this is rob palmer i write for the

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skeptical inquirer as the well-known

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skeptic

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on wikipedia teams

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you may have also heard one of the

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promos i produced for the guerrilla

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skeptics played right here on the

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skeptic zone

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this week i'm bringing you the third

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part of my interview series from cycon

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2019 in las vegas nevada

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i talk with former ghost hunter turned

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legitimate paranormal investigator kenny

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science mom and point of inquiry co-host

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calvin cenapathy a wikipedia editor

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who is my guerrilla skeptic teammate

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brandy along with her son aiden

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and a las vegas stem student daniel

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i ran into kenny biddle who was the

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second half of the team that did the

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investigators workshop

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so let me ask him about his experience

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giving that presentation at cycon first

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off introduce yourself hi

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i'm kenny biddle i introduce myself

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and what are you known for uh i actually

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do paranormal investigations

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pretty much from a scientific scientific

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and skeptical point of view

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i heard a rumor that you were once a

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ghost hunter and you used to believe in

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yes i in the early 90s i was a ghost

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hunter i believed

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in everything ghost and loch ness

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monster bigfoot

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ufos i believed all of it so so they

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people like that aren't very intelligent

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but here you are on the other side of

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the fence did you get like a lot more

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brain matter or something

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it was the i guess the curiosity because

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i had always heard about the skeptics

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skeptics are like the evil people they

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were the arch nemesis oh because we are

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yes and but i reached out to a few

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in particular ben rafford uh he was the

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i think i know him among yeah i kind of

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know him too you know

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but uh yeah he he's uh an editor at

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amongst other things but he's an editor

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for skeptical inquirer magazine by the

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which we both write for yes our editors

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him some things that i had he gave me

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for me and he was not mean

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uh so he wasn't what i thought

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a skeptic was and it really it changed

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and made me want more to learn more

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what they do that's impressive i wrote

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that wasn't written down anywhere

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it was it was really good and then i i

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not only ben but joe nickel and then

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credibility street which is defunct now

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this is my third year presenting it's

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wow so i'm i'm i feel actually

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like honored and humbled that i i keep

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very nice so you're one year ahead of me

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not asked we have to fight for the spot

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so fight for it

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it's not quite the same thing so okay

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you know the the zag they have they have

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the names of all the speakers on it

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but not the sunday paper speakers so

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because i have one with my youtube

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which i rearranged and put right in

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well i wandered into this icon book sale

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hi this is kevin sinopathy and where

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may the listeners to the skeptic zone

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they might know my voice from the point

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journalists communicators but it takes

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or the the documentary takes the viewers

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through our sort of quest to

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and um we cover a lot more

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i can highly recommend the documentary i

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cycon that coven mentioned and i

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actually went home and wrote a wikipedia

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so you can look it up um so what's your

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presentation here going to be about

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my presentation is on the overblown

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breast is best mantra

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and breast is best is the slogans

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surrounding the idea that all infants

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no other liquids for the first six

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the time of introducing

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complementary foods and it's quite a pro

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popular

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idea and there's

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hospital policy and maternity ward

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policy around the world

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based on this idea so i'm gonna

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break down the the science of it um

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some of the misconceptions and

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eventually i'm going to make a case for

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fully informed choice for parents when

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it comes to how

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they feed their babies great i'm looking

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forward to it okay

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so it's the last day of the conference

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and

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i'm talking to a new guerrilla skeptics

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on wikipedia editor who came to her very

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first

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cycon and she's with her son could you

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guys introduce yourself

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hi my name is brandi hi my name is aiden

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and why did you decide to come to the

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conference

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well i've been listening to

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skeptical podcasts for many many years

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and decided i wanted to get involved

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somehow

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and i heard about the conference and it

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sounded really interesting

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a lot of really interesting speakers

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and i dragged my son along because he's

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been a fan

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of brian greene since he was in

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elementary school

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oh satan what did you think of his

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presentation

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it was a really great when did when did

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you stop following it because i stopped

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following it when he got to the hologram

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that the universe is actually a hologram

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it's like

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like when i really started like getting

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it in

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because like black holes have always

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been like a cool subject that i've

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always been interested in

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i thought of like something being so

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dense and heavy that

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just collapses in on itself and can trap

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anything in it it's always fascinated me

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that was amazing

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don't tell them about the uh the little

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artifact that they had that described

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all right they had like a tiny little

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marble you know supposed to represent

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the size

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of the earth if it was a black hole yeah

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that was like it drew it drew gasps from

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everybody

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and then einstein didn't believe in

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black holes because he said there was no

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way that that could possibly happen

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but now we know there is fascinating

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well so what do you think you're going

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to come back next year yeah

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and i was happy to see that my son was

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uh interested

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in all the talks that he saw today not

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just

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in brian greene and he's agreed to come

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with me

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again sometime fantastic very glad to

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hear that

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okay so we'll be looking forward to

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all right so i've come to two previous

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icons this is my third in a row and this

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is the first time

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i've experienced what is going on at

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this one

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which is that a nearby school has sent

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some students to cycon

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to uh to participate in the conference

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and i just ran into one of them so i

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wanted to get some information

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like what's your name daniel spangler

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and what's what's the school you come

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from

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coral academy of science las vegas okay

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is that nearby

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it's uh it's in henderson so it's like

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probably 30 minutes away from

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oh not too bad and so how did you find

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out that this was an available thing to

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do and come

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to the conference and by the way this is

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being paid by donations by conference

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attendees and

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others who uh who helped with the uh

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raising money

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it was really like out of the blues like

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two days ago

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that all the teachers got an email and

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they recommended some students to go to

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this

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just two days ago yeah and they gave it

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they gave me the permission slip on

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thursday and it just looked really

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interesting

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so i got it signed so did everyone have

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the option to sign up and it was just

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a number what how'd that go do you

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remember the teachers were supposed to

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recommend two students

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each in each class so it was like

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i guess you could say that yeah what

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criteria was it people who are great in

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science or

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what do you think yeah pay attention

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just good students overall

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oh cool so what made you uh want to come

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i i've never been to like one of these

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types of meetings

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and i just thought it'd be really

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interesting to go and get

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different viewpoints on everything

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do you know all the other people you've

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come with is it a small school

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yeah it's pretty small there's like a

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hundred people in my class

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oh and i heard also that they did some

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people from here went to the school to

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do presentations because

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there's only a limited number that they

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could have come here did you attend any

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of those

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no okay so it wasn't everyone at the

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school oh actually yeah

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there was a presentation in my history

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class about

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i forgot his name he does like ghost he

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used to do ghost hunting things

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kenny biddle yeah kenny bill gave that

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presentation oh so you saw that one okay

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yeah

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it is really interesting how like he

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just broke down ghosts and

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was able to explain everything did you

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believe in them before

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do you not now did it change your mind i

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didn't believe in them before

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but now i definitely okay he's gonna be

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glad

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he's yes i know him personally and he

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worked in the industry thinking there

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were ghosts trying to prove there were

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ghosts for a long time

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and came to the conclusion no this is

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all bull

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very good all right well so uh thanks

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for doing this and enjoy the rest of the

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conference

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[Music]

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that was the final part of my interview

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series from cycon 2019. i hope you

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enjoyed listening as much as i enjoyed

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doing those interviews

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i'm about to publish an article

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interviewing first time cycling

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attendees and speakers

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follow me on facebook so you don't miss

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it in other related articles published

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in my skeptical inquirer online column

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links to my column and to my facebook

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page are in the show notes

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[Music]

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well folks i've met so many interesting

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people during my time in the skeptical

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movement

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and then there was steve roberts dr

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steve roberts but

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years ago dr steve you bought me a

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nice little present the code book by

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simon singh

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and i thought oh that's nice and i read

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it and my jaw dropped because i

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understood enigma and i thought

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what an amazing man simon singers to

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write a book in such a way that someone

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like me can

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understand and you and we've got right

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here in front of us folks

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you bought this from simon singh it's a

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code

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machine like enigma well you know sort

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of

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from world war ii it's the uh m209

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that's it

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the m209 cypher machine as used by the

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american army in world war ii

485
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it's amazing we're just looking at it

486
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right now well i would um

487
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i would recommend the code book by simon

488
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singh me too

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there are lots and lots of awful books

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about codes and ciphers out there but

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simon singe has written a

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really really good book he's got 10

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chapters and the codes start from

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extremely elementary to extremely

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complicated

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and you can actually work through it and

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these gives examples and the last two

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chapters are quite difficult and there

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was a prize for

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cracking uh the last puzzle which

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somebody won

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but he does explain it extremely well

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he's very talented

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extremely well it's credit to simon

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singh for

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his wonderful uh work but look at this i

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i know i say look at this the audience

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can't look at this but we'll have to

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look at some other one have a look

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[Music]

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you check the wheel there setting the

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wheel right and then you turn the handle

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yeah

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and out pops another letter but you

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there's one two three four

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five six rotors you set those to a

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particular pattern at the moment it's p

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so you have got that pattern your

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counterpart who's receiving the final

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message will have that and he decodes it

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and the wheels have pins on them and you

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have to set the pins the same at both

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ends

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wow the great advantage with this thing

525
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is that it's all mechanical so

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unlike the enigma which lights up it

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needs an electric current to work and it

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lights up a little light behind the

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letter

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if the bulb blows while you're stuck and

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if you haven't got a battery you're

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totally stuck

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but the this thing the m209 is entirely

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mechanical

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um it's made by the company that used to

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make typewriters

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um that makes sense yeah you know you

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we've

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opened it up so we can look at the

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workings of this it's completely

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mechanical

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it's exquisitely made the engineering

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for 1942

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is exquisite yeah now what's this little

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countdown here mean

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that's the letter counter it says 603 at

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the moment if i

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inside for a letter 604

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that says how far you've got in this

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sequence of um

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letters so you can move that on from the

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initial setting

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and you must never incite it with the

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same setting twice so you always move it

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on

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and the other end understands that um so

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in the code

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world how how good was this code machine

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in world war ii was it

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secure enough or was it cracked

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eventually um

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it was it's crackable but it's good

563
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enough for a battle it'll take

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you know a day or so to crack the

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messages and that's something that's

566
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all you need that's pretty secure enough

567
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while you're being shot at

568
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yeah and you can also change the setting

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entirely you can move all these pins

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with a special tool

571
00:21:27,029 --> 00:21:25,600
and you can move all the lugs with the

572
00:21:28,390 --> 00:21:27,039
tool so if you have to abandon the

573
00:21:30,789 --> 00:21:28,400
machine you can actually

574
00:21:31,510 --> 00:21:30,799
completely reliably destroy the setting

575
00:21:33,909 --> 00:21:31,520
that it was

576
00:21:36,390 --> 00:21:33,919
had in it now unlike the enigma that had

577
00:21:37,909 --> 00:21:36,400
six wheels that had wiring in them

578
00:21:39,430 --> 00:21:37,919
and although you can smash them up you

579
00:21:41,110 --> 00:21:39,440
can recover the bits and work out what

580
00:21:41,990 --> 00:21:41,120
the wiring was and there were only six

581
00:21:46,149 --> 00:21:42,000
wheels

582
00:21:48,149 --> 00:21:46,159
you know you're

583
00:21:49,669 --> 00:21:48,159
a long way head towards solving it with

584
00:21:51,029 --> 00:21:49,679
this thing you can set the pattern to

585
00:21:52,870 --> 00:21:51,039
anything you like

586
00:21:54,310 --> 00:21:52,880
and destroy it and that pattern may

587
00:21:56,230 --> 00:21:54,320
never occur again

588
00:21:58,230 --> 00:21:56,240
it's fascinating i mean to look in into

589
00:21:59,990 --> 00:21:58,240
this thing is fascinating it's so

590
00:22:01,990 --> 00:22:00,000
beautifully made but to think this was

591
00:22:04,230 --> 00:22:02,000
used probably

592
00:22:05,909 --> 00:22:04,240
or conceivably in battle during world

593
00:22:08,950 --> 00:22:05,919
war ii to send

594
00:22:10,870 --> 00:22:08,960
important messages i asked steve

595
00:22:12,470 --> 00:22:10,880
to put in the message now please send

596
00:22:14,470 --> 00:22:12,480
more cheese because we're eating some

597
00:22:15,750 --> 00:22:14,480
nice cheese we send more cheese it comes

598
00:22:18,070 --> 00:22:15,760
out looking like gibberish yeah

599
00:22:19,830 --> 00:22:18,080
yeah so so the message coming out on the

600
00:22:23,190 --> 00:22:19,840
other end on a ticker tape

601
00:22:26,549 --> 00:22:23,200
yeah it looks like for example c t w p

602
00:22:28,149 --> 00:22:26,559
q q x n d p

603
00:22:29,750 --> 00:22:28,159
just just gibberish well the other guy

604
00:22:30,470 --> 00:22:29,760
would set his machine up and whack those

605
00:22:32,549 --> 00:22:30,480
letters in

606
00:22:34,630 --> 00:22:32,559
and then out on his tape would come see

607
00:22:37,190 --> 00:22:34,640
nd space mlre

608
00:22:37,750 --> 00:22:37,200
cheese yeah and they go oh look at that

609
00:22:46,149 --> 00:22:37,760
um

610
00:22:49,350 --> 00:22:47,909
and it's so compact i mean i can't

611
00:22:51,190 --> 00:22:49,360
believe how small this is

612
00:22:52,470 --> 00:22:51,200
you shut the lid as it would be the

613
00:22:55,669 --> 00:22:52,480
paper tape is included

614
00:22:57,750 --> 00:22:55,679
yeah and it's about what seven inches by

615
00:22:59,029 --> 00:22:57,760
five inches by four it's not that big

616
00:23:01,190 --> 00:22:59,039
yeah weighs about

617
00:23:02,070 --> 00:23:01,200
one kilogram yeah and he can stick it in

618
00:23:03,430 --> 00:23:02,080
a soldier's

619
00:23:05,029 --> 00:23:03,440
battle pack with all the other stuff

620
00:23:05,830 --> 00:23:05,039
he's got with his rations and whatnot

621
00:23:09,350 --> 00:23:05,840
and

622
00:23:11,750 --> 00:23:09,360
yeah it was

623
00:23:13,350 --> 00:23:11,760
they made thousands of these um they

624
00:23:16,149 --> 00:23:13,360
sell for about

625
00:23:17,590 --> 00:23:16,159
five thousand dollars on ebay um but the

626
00:23:18,870 --> 00:23:17,600
uniqueness sell for like a hundred

627
00:23:20,630 --> 00:23:18,880
thousand dollars because there's not

628
00:23:21,350 --> 00:23:20,640
many of them and they have that cachet

629
00:23:23,830 --> 00:23:21,360
of being

630
00:23:24,390 --> 00:23:23,840
cute but the elimi was a far worse

631
00:23:26,549 --> 00:23:24,400
machine

632
00:23:27,669 --> 00:23:26,559
cryptographically it was much easier to

633
00:23:29,510 --> 00:23:27,679
crack than this

634
00:23:31,029 --> 00:23:29,520
uh yeah this is much more secure than

635
00:23:32,549 --> 00:23:31,039
the enigma really yeah

636
00:23:34,870 --> 00:23:32,559
well the eating but you've only got six

637
00:23:36,789 --> 00:23:34,880
voters and we knew what the six voters

638
00:23:39,510 --> 00:23:36,799
were we'd be covered enough

639
00:23:41,190 --> 00:23:39,520
um and you just tried all the settings

640
00:23:42,710 --> 00:23:41,200
they had a machine that just tried all

641
00:23:45,909 --> 00:23:42,720
the settings there's only

642
00:23:47,750 --> 00:23:45,919
17 000 settings you can really do which

643
00:23:49,510 --> 00:23:47,760
seemed like a lot at the time but now

644
00:23:50,950 --> 00:23:49,520
for example 17 000 settings to be

645
00:23:53,430 --> 00:23:50,960
absolutely nothing

646
00:23:54,710 --> 00:23:53,440
um 17 trillion will actually still not

647
00:23:56,710 --> 00:23:54,720
be much of a headache

648
00:23:58,470 --> 00:23:56,720
um but yeah they just tried all the

649
00:24:00,070 --> 00:23:58,480
settings until one fell out and the

650
00:24:00,549 --> 00:24:00,080
thing is you had to make the messages

651
00:24:03,590 --> 00:24:00,559
within

652
00:24:04,390 --> 00:24:03,600
hours or it'd be no use yeah uh and that

653
00:24:06,390 --> 00:24:04,400
this was done

654
00:24:07,669 --> 00:24:06,400
in the in veterinary park this was you

655
00:24:08,870 --> 00:24:07,679
know they were working within hours and

656
00:24:11,269 --> 00:24:08,880
the message would have got out and the

657
00:24:12,710 --> 00:24:11,279
rest of the day's traffic would be red

658
00:24:13,990 --> 00:24:12,720
and then they'd change the settings

659
00:24:15,110 --> 00:24:14,000
again in the morning that will start all

660
00:24:16,710 --> 00:24:15,120
over again but

661
00:24:18,310 --> 00:24:16,720
the germans would send a weather message

662
00:24:20,470 --> 00:24:18,320
at five in the morning

663
00:24:21,750 --> 00:24:20,480
and there was obviously a great interest

664
00:24:22,310 --> 00:24:21,760
in breaking that one because that would

665
00:24:25,510 --> 00:24:22,320
give you that

666
00:24:28,789 --> 00:24:25,520
is it a urban myth or was it

667
00:24:31,990 --> 00:24:28,799
uh artistic license in the movie the

668
00:24:34,070 --> 00:24:32,000
imitation game yeah one of the clues

669
00:24:37,350 --> 00:24:34,080
they had to breaking it was heil hitler

670
00:24:39,350 --> 00:24:37,360
because that was repeated um uh almost

671
00:24:41,350 --> 00:24:39,360
um every message ended hh for heil

672
00:24:43,909 --> 00:24:41,360
hitler every morse message in hh

673
00:24:45,430 --> 00:24:43,919
and if somebody failed to send hhh the

674
00:24:48,630 --> 00:24:45,440
other end would say

675
00:24:51,830 --> 00:24:48,640
have have you forgotten something

676
00:24:53,430 --> 00:24:51,840
is it not good enough um now what they

677
00:24:54,950 --> 00:24:53,440
would do they'd send a setting which was

678
00:24:56,470 --> 00:24:54,960
three letters and that's where the three

679
00:24:58,390 --> 00:24:56,480
voters were on the enigma

680
00:25:01,029 --> 00:24:58,400
yeah and they'd send that twice so it

681
00:25:03,269 --> 00:25:01,039
would start you know like um

682
00:25:04,310 --> 00:25:03,279
lmn lmn that was where the three voters

683
00:25:05,669 --> 00:25:04,320
were positioned

684
00:25:07,510 --> 00:25:05,679
so when you get the message you know in

685
00:25:09,269 --> 00:25:07,520
the first six letters

686
00:25:10,630 --> 00:25:09,279
numbers four five and six are a copy of

687
00:25:12,950 --> 00:25:10,640
numbers one two and three

688
00:25:15,350 --> 00:25:12,960
wow the same letter under there so you

689
00:25:17,110 --> 00:25:15,360
you try all the settings until you get a

690
00:25:18,870 --> 00:25:17,120
result that gives you four five and six

691
00:25:20,710 --> 00:25:18,880
to savings one two and three

692
00:25:22,789 --> 00:25:20,720
and that gives you the voter positions

693
00:25:24,149 --> 00:25:22,799
then you just read it after that

694
00:25:27,190 --> 00:25:24,159
you know but this was done in the

695
00:25:29,590 --> 00:25:27,200
enormous haste with enormous some

696
00:25:30,630 --> 00:25:29,600
urgency uh the settings was it was

697
00:25:31,990 --> 00:25:30,640
issued

698
00:25:33,350 --> 00:25:32,000
then of course there was a problem that

699
00:25:35,350 --> 00:25:33,360
you couldn't let the germans know you

700
00:25:37,669 --> 00:25:35,360
were reading the code so they had to

701
00:25:39,029 --> 00:25:37,679
well that was in in the the imitation

702
00:25:40,870 --> 00:25:39,039
game the movie one of the problems they

703
00:25:42,390 --> 00:25:40,880
had we can't let on we've broken the

704
00:25:44,230 --> 00:25:42,400
code otherwise don't scrap

705
00:25:45,909 --> 00:25:44,240
the whole system that was a problem it

706
00:25:47,909 --> 00:25:45,919
was it was said that churchill knew

707
00:25:51,190 --> 00:25:47,919
about the bombing of coventry

708
00:25:51,990 --> 00:25:51,200
beforehand um there's two answers to

709
00:25:55,590 --> 00:25:52,000
that well

710
00:25:57,669 --> 00:25:55,600
the truth is he didn't he didn't know um

711
00:25:59,750 --> 00:25:57,679
but if he had known that the germans are

712
00:26:02,950 --> 00:25:59,760
going to go and bomb coventry he

713
00:26:05,590 --> 00:26:02,960
would not have let on because if you

714
00:26:07,269 --> 00:26:05,600
send airplanes to intercept the bombers

715
00:26:09,510 --> 00:26:07,279
the germans think how do they know

716
00:26:10,870 --> 00:26:09,520
that yeah and the whole goose that lays

717
00:26:12,870 --> 00:26:10,880
the golden egg will be killed

718
00:26:14,070 --> 00:26:12,880
and um she had to be sort of careful

719
00:26:16,789 --> 00:26:14,080
with the intelligence but

720
00:26:19,350 --> 00:26:16,799
um we got some things out of it in the

721
00:26:21,590 --> 00:26:19,360
second world war it was well worth doing

722
00:26:23,510 --> 00:26:21,600
um it said that the war changed because

723
00:26:25,350 --> 00:26:23,520
of that that's a bit of

724
00:26:26,870 --> 00:26:25,360
artistic license i think well that's

725
00:26:30,710 --> 00:26:26,880
fine i mean to make an

726
00:26:33,909 --> 00:26:30,720
enjoyable movie but folks i am looking

727
00:26:37,830 --> 00:26:33,919
and there it is at a world war ii uh

728
00:26:39,269 --> 00:26:37,840
coding machine converter m209 m209b

729
00:26:40,950 --> 00:26:39,279
that's what we have if you look that up

730
00:26:41,430 --> 00:26:40,960
on the internet you can uh see all about

731
00:26:44,789 --> 00:26:41,440
that

732
00:26:46,710 --> 00:26:44,799
if you look up m from other m209

733
00:26:48,870 --> 00:26:46,720
you'll see diagrams and pictures of the

734
00:26:49,510 --> 00:26:48,880
machine and pages on how it works and

735
00:26:51,269 --> 00:26:49,520
everything

736
00:26:52,710 --> 00:26:51,279
yeah and i've got i've got a real one

737
00:26:53,350 --> 00:26:52,720
here you've got a real one there and it

738
00:26:55,269 --> 00:26:53,360
and it's just

739
00:26:57,590 --> 00:26:55,279
it's it's still after all these years

740
00:26:58,230 --> 00:26:57,600
it's what pushing 70 years old whatever

741
00:27:00,310 --> 00:26:58,240
it is

742
00:27:01,590 --> 00:27:00,320
it looks like it was made yesterday it's

743
00:27:03,110 --> 00:27:01,600
still in perfect condition

744
00:27:04,630 --> 00:27:03,120
simon singh looked after it it's been

745
00:27:07,909 --> 00:27:04,640
oiled well and it

746
00:27:08,310 --> 00:27:07,919
works you know um perfectly so i'm very

747
00:27:10,870 --> 00:27:08,320
uh

748
00:27:12,549 --> 00:27:10,880
complete i just i bought this at auction

749
00:27:14,230 --> 00:27:12,559
from london i'm

750
00:27:16,149 --> 00:27:14,240
just pleased to own it because it's so

751
00:27:17,990 --> 00:27:16,159
beautiful it's fantastic folks

752
00:27:19,269 --> 00:27:18,000
what i'll do is i'll link in this week's

753
00:27:21,510 --> 00:27:19,279
show notes to

754
00:27:22,389 --> 00:27:21,520
where you can buy the code book by simon

755
00:27:24,789 --> 00:27:22,399
singh and if you're

756
00:27:25,669 --> 00:27:24,799
at all interested in ciphers and codes

757
00:27:28,870 --> 00:27:25,679
and how they

758
00:27:31,110 --> 00:27:28,880
developed i couldn't recommend this book

759
00:27:32,789 --> 00:27:31,120
highly enough oh now you're putting in a

760
00:27:34,630 --> 00:27:32,799
new code what is it let's have some more

761
00:27:37,669 --> 00:27:34,640
wine i think more wine

762
00:27:39,350 --> 00:27:37,679
that's a good idea ah crash yeah um

763
00:27:40,789 --> 00:27:39,360
it was easy to destroy you just hit all

764
00:27:42,470 --> 00:27:40,799
the pins to the left and you've

765
00:27:43,830 --> 00:27:42,480
destroyed the setting

766
00:27:45,669 --> 00:27:43,840
uh then you just leave it behind the

767
00:27:47,269 --> 00:27:45,679
germans can find it they

768
00:27:49,029 --> 00:27:47,279
haven't already but without the pin set

769
00:27:51,110 --> 00:27:49,039
properly

770
00:27:52,149 --> 00:27:51,120
yeah it's just beautiful mass produced

771
00:27:55,909 --> 00:27:52,159
they made 140

772
00:27:58,950 --> 00:27:55,919
000 of them um and every soldier had one

773
00:27:59,669 --> 00:27:58,960
and actually later machines it said that

774
00:28:06,710 --> 00:27:59,679
the

775
00:28:07,830 --> 00:28:06,720
were developed from this thing not from

776
00:28:09,909 --> 00:28:07,840
the enigma

777
00:28:11,750 --> 00:28:09,919
oh um you know the logic of cypher

778
00:28:12,149 --> 00:28:11,760
machines i've worked in this field and

779
00:28:13,990 --> 00:28:12,159
actually

780
00:28:16,389 --> 00:28:14,000
the design of this was influential the

781
00:28:19,350 --> 00:28:16,399
design of later machines

782
00:28:20,310 --> 00:28:19,360
but the enigma sort of moved on and died

783
00:28:23,110 --> 00:28:20,320
it was a

784
00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:23,120
too hard to use um two unbelievable and

785
00:28:27,510 --> 00:28:23,760
it's got the

786
00:28:30,070 --> 00:28:27,520
enigma

787
00:28:30,710 --> 00:28:30,080
the mythology mythology yeah oh well

788
00:28:32,710 --> 00:28:30,720
yeah

789
00:28:34,470 --> 00:28:32,720
oh well the wine has arrived so cheers

790
00:28:44,670 --> 00:28:34,480
steve and thanks very much

791
00:28:49,909 --> 00:28:44,680
yep cheers

792
00:28:53,190 --> 00:28:49,919
[Music]

793
00:28:54,870 --> 00:28:53,200
this is nasa uh i see a flat earth but

794
00:28:55,830 --> 00:28:54,880
we should lie to everybody about it and

795
00:28:58,710 --> 00:28:55,840
say it's round

796
00:28:59,430 --> 00:28:58,720
10-4 maximum fun brings you the latest

797
00:29:03,350 --> 00:28:59,440
podcast

798
00:29:05,269 --> 00:29:03,360
an expose on the flat earth i want to

799
00:29:06,789 --> 00:29:05,279
take advantage of humankind and make

800
00:29:07,990 --> 00:29:06,799
them believe a lie so that they will

801
00:29:09,430 --> 00:29:08,000
trust us with the government

802
00:29:11,830 --> 00:29:09,440
it's all an elaborate lie and when you

803
00:29:13,029 --> 00:29:11,840
get on a plane they purposefully fly you

804
00:29:15,669 --> 00:29:13,039
farther than you need to go

805
00:29:17,510 --> 00:29:15,679
it's disgusting it needs to be stopped

806
00:29:18,870 --> 00:29:17,520
and if you listen to ono ross and carrie

807
00:29:23,510 --> 00:29:18,880
we will tell you the truth

808
00:29:26,789 --> 00:29:25,110
we will just tell you the truth behind

809
00:29:28,549 --> 00:29:26,799
the truth because what we do is we look

810
00:29:30,710 --> 00:29:28,559
at extraordinary claims

811
00:29:32,789 --> 00:29:30,720
that's right we've gone undercover with

812
00:29:34,070 --> 00:29:32,799
alternative medical treatments fringe

813
00:29:36,310 --> 00:29:34,080
religious groups

814
00:29:37,350 --> 00:29:36,320
fringe science claims the spiritual

815
00:29:38,870 --> 00:29:37,360
paranormal

816
00:29:40,710 --> 00:29:38,880
we're there to check it out and let you

817
00:29:41,350 --> 00:29:40,720
know what happens is the queen mary

818
00:29:44,149 --> 00:29:41,360
haunted

819
00:29:44,710 --> 00:29:44,159
i don't know find out we show up we make

820
00:29:46,630 --> 00:29:44,720
friends

821
00:29:48,710 --> 00:29:46,640
we learn what happens when you ask

822
00:29:50,789 --> 00:29:48,720
questions and we tell you all about it

823
00:29:52,710 --> 00:29:50,799
and we get all that funky stuff done to

824
00:29:58,090 --> 00:29:52,720
us it's oh no ross and kerry

825
00:30:07,269 --> 00:30:05,190
[Music]

826
00:30:08,870 --> 00:30:07,279
hi my name is tim mendenham i'm the

827
00:30:10,149 --> 00:30:08,880
executive officer for australian

828
00:30:13,430 --> 00:30:10,159
skeptics and i'm also

829
00:30:13,909 --> 00:30:13,440
editor of the skeptic magazine and i'd

830
00:30:15,909 --> 00:30:13,919
like to

831
00:30:17,350 --> 00:30:15,919
cover an article that we ran in the

832
00:30:20,230 --> 00:30:17,360
skeptic magazine

833
00:30:21,029 --> 00:30:20,240
some time ago actually in march 2018

834
00:30:24,870 --> 00:30:21,039
which is

835
00:30:28,630 --> 00:30:24,880
volume 38 number one and this article

836
00:30:36,389 --> 00:30:28,640
is about the hole in the pole or

837
00:30:38,630 --> 00:30:36,399
the hole in the pole

838
00:30:39,830 --> 00:30:38,640
this will be part one of a number of uh

839
00:30:41,190 --> 00:30:39,840
presentations on this because it's a

840
00:30:42,789 --> 00:30:41,200
pretty lengthy article

841
00:30:45,269 --> 00:30:42,799
so i don't want to bog you down with all

842
00:30:47,190 --> 00:30:45,279
of it in one go but basically

843
00:30:49,350 --> 00:30:47,200
this was articles looking at secret

844
00:30:50,389 --> 00:30:49,360
entrance ways to the hollow earth

845
00:30:52,549 --> 00:30:50,399
and these have been proposed for

846
00:30:54,149 --> 00:30:52,559
centuries so i want to look down and

847
00:30:59,029 --> 00:30:54,159
perhaps go down one of those holes or

848
00:31:02,710 --> 00:31:01,190
virtually every religion refers to a

849
00:31:05,029 --> 00:31:02,720
subterranean world

850
00:31:06,389 --> 00:31:05,039
which is variously an afterlife like

851
00:31:09,190 --> 00:31:06,399
hell purgatory or the

852
00:31:11,750 --> 00:31:09,200
lisbon fields or a secret place where

853
00:31:13,990 --> 00:31:11,760
other civilizations do their business

854
00:31:16,230 --> 00:31:14,000
the greeks had hades the jewish sheol

855
00:31:18,710 --> 00:31:16,240
the tibetan buddhists have shambala the

856
00:31:20,149 --> 00:31:18,720
nordic people have fossil free farmers

857
00:31:21,029 --> 00:31:20,159
so i can't pronounce that word never

858
00:31:24,149 --> 00:31:21,039
mind

859
00:31:26,630 --> 00:31:24,159
the hindu patala

860
00:31:28,149 --> 00:31:26,640
and of course the christians have hell

861
00:31:30,310 --> 00:31:28,159
the concept has been

862
00:31:31,269 --> 00:31:30,320
elaborated upon in some of the world's

863
00:31:34,230 --> 00:31:31,279
great literature

864
00:31:34,950 --> 00:31:34,240
the legend of orpheus's trip to retrieve

865
00:31:38,230 --> 00:31:34,960
his

866
00:31:39,430 --> 00:31:38,240
lost love eurydice dante's inferno the

867
00:31:43,190 --> 00:31:39,440
hindu ramayana

868
00:31:44,710 --> 00:31:43,200
casanova had to go with his aiko samiron

869
00:31:46,230 --> 00:31:44,720
the story of a brother and sister who

870
00:31:48,149 --> 00:31:46,240
fall into the earth and discover the

871
00:31:50,950 --> 00:31:48,159
subterranean utopia

872
00:31:54,149 --> 00:31:50,960
of the mega micros a race of

873
00:31:56,070 --> 00:31:54,159
multicoloured hermaphroditic dwarves

874
00:31:57,750 --> 00:31:56,080
on the more popular level jules verne's

875
00:32:00,310 --> 00:31:57,760
journey to the center of the earth

876
00:32:01,750 --> 00:32:00,320
was about an underground cavernous world

877
00:32:03,909 --> 00:32:01,760
not a hollow earth

878
00:32:05,669 --> 00:32:03,919
and hp lovecraft's at the mountains of

879
00:32:07,350 --> 00:32:05,679
madness with the discovery of the

880
00:32:10,389 --> 00:32:07,360
underground remnants of an ancient

881
00:32:14,070 --> 00:32:10,399
alien civilization in antarctica

882
00:32:16,310 --> 00:32:14,080
full of horrors too horrible to recount

883
00:32:18,310 --> 00:32:16,320
tarzan author edgar rice burroughs wrote

884
00:32:21,269 --> 00:32:18,320
a seven novel series

885
00:32:23,590 --> 00:32:21,279
about pelusidor a prehistoric world

886
00:32:25,909 --> 00:32:23,600
hundreds of miles beneath the surface

887
00:32:26,950 --> 00:32:25,919
the first volume was entitled at the

888
00:32:29,750 --> 00:32:26,960
earth's core

889
00:32:31,590 --> 00:32:29,760
and tarzan himself makes a visit in one

890
00:32:34,630 --> 00:32:31,600
of the books

891
00:32:38,389 --> 00:32:34,640
there's a plethora of places below us

892
00:32:39,830 --> 00:32:38,399
the problem has been how to get there

893
00:32:41,430 --> 00:32:39,840
strictly speaking this shouldn't be a

894
00:32:42,950 --> 00:32:41,440
problem as there are numerous caverns

895
00:32:43,830 --> 00:32:42,960
and caves scattered across the surface

896
00:32:46,389 --> 00:32:43,840
of the globe

897
00:32:48,310 --> 00:32:46,399
that are said to lead to the underworld

898
00:32:49,269 --> 00:32:48,320
all across ancient greece thrace and

899
00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:49,279
mesopotamia

900
00:32:53,110 --> 00:32:50,640
there are caverns that will take you

901
00:32:55,350 --> 00:32:53,120
down where you're going to

902
00:32:57,750 --> 00:32:55,360
ireland has krakan i don't know how to

903
00:33:00,549 --> 00:32:57,760
pronounce that in irish but never mind

904
00:33:01,029 --> 00:33:00,559
which is the gate to hell in county ross

905
00:33:03,509 --> 00:33:01,039
common

906
00:33:05,350 --> 00:33:03,519
in the center of the island also station

907
00:33:06,230 --> 00:33:05,360
island in county donegal in the far

908
00:33:10,549 --> 00:33:06,240
north

909
00:33:13,269 --> 00:33:10,559
island was a site for pilgrimage

910
00:33:14,549 --> 00:33:13,279
for knights and saints and county down

911
00:33:16,230 --> 00:33:14,559
features

912
00:33:18,230 --> 00:33:16,240
tunnels that led to the land of the

913
00:33:20,310 --> 00:33:18,240
subterranean here's another term

914
00:33:21,590 --> 00:33:20,320
twather dead dumb honor someone could

915
00:33:22,870 --> 00:33:21,600
correct me on these but i mean

916
00:33:25,110 --> 00:33:22,880
that's okay you'll have to take me on

917
00:33:25,750 --> 00:33:25,120
faith and there were a group of people

918
00:33:27,990 --> 00:33:25,760
who

919
00:33:29,430 --> 00:33:28,000
are believed to have introduced druidism

920
00:33:31,990 --> 00:33:29,440
to ireland

921
00:33:32,549 --> 00:33:32,000
and they went back underground the list

922
00:33:37,269 --> 00:33:32,559
goes on

923
00:33:40,630 --> 00:33:37,279
germany italy siberia india japan china

924
00:33:42,389 --> 00:33:40,640
turkmenistan brazil peru central america

925
00:33:44,230 --> 00:33:42,399
the usa

926
00:33:45,830 --> 00:33:44,240
they all have something iceland features

927
00:33:47,430 --> 00:33:45,840
as the site where vern's intrepid

928
00:33:48,630 --> 00:33:47,440
explorers started their journey to the

929
00:33:50,149 --> 00:33:48,640
center of the earth

930
00:33:51,990 --> 00:33:50,159
in fact there's hardly a part of the

931
00:33:54,710 --> 00:33:52,000
earth where you're not near an entrance

932
00:33:56,710 --> 00:33:54,720
to the underworld even the trobriand

933
00:34:00,389 --> 00:33:56,720
islanders off the coast of new guinea

934
00:34:03,350 --> 00:34:00,399
have a cavern called ahukulia

935
00:34:04,070 --> 00:34:03,360
that leads to the underworld one website

936
00:34:07,430 --> 00:34:04,080
which is

937
00:34:08,310 --> 00:34:07,440
entrance to hell entrance to the number

938
00:34:11,349 --> 00:34:08,320
two hell

939
00:34:12,790 --> 00:34:11,359
dot co dot uk lists over a hundred just

940
00:34:15,030 --> 00:34:12,800
in the uk

941
00:34:16,230 --> 00:34:15,040
though somehow a lot of them look like

942
00:34:19,270 --> 00:34:16,240
someone's garage

943
00:34:21,030 --> 00:34:19,280
including one called hot day which is

944
00:34:23,190 --> 00:34:21,040
the notorious entrance from which

945
00:34:25,909 --> 00:34:23,200
emerged all the sick twisted and drug

946
00:34:27,109 --> 00:34:25,919
addicted pop stars of the 1970s

947
00:34:29,430 --> 00:34:27,119
so i'm not quite sure how seriously you

948
00:34:30,149 --> 00:34:29,440
want to take that one but there are two

949
00:34:32,310 --> 00:34:30,159
places that

950
00:34:33,990 --> 00:34:32,320
modern whole fanatics point to as the

951
00:34:36,470 --> 00:34:34,000
ultimate in gateways

952
00:34:38,069 --> 00:34:36,480
to the underground the north and south

953
00:34:41,030 --> 00:34:38,079
poles

954
00:34:42,310 --> 00:34:41,040
john simms in the early 1800s proposed

955
00:34:44,310 --> 00:34:42,320
polar entrances

956
00:34:45,909 --> 00:34:44,320
and lobbied the u.s congress to get an

957
00:34:49,349 --> 00:34:45,919
expedition to the north pole

958
00:34:51,270 --> 00:34:49,359
just to prove it congress rejected it

959
00:34:52,869 --> 00:34:51,280
where president john quincy adams

960
00:34:55,909 --> 00:34:52,879
apparently agreed

961
00:34:58,150 --> 00:34:55,919
calling the plan visionary adams only

962
00:35:00,710 --> 00:34:58,160
served one term as president

963
00:35:02,230 --> 00:35:00,720
some have suggested his support of

964
00:35:03,670 --> 00:35:02,240
visionary projects

965
00:35:05,829 --> 00:35:03,680
and claims might have proved an

966
00:35:08,310 --> 00:35:05,839
influence in that only serving one

967
00:35:10,870 --> 00:35:08,320
term and his successor andrew jackson

968
00:35:12,870 --> 00:35:10,880
squashed the idea

969
00:35:14,390 --> 00:35:12,880
but adams was not the only world leader

970
00:35:17,430 --> 00:35:14,400
to support the pole hull

971
00:35:20,630 --> 00:35:17,440
notion among the many other claims of

972
00:35:23,589 --> 00:35:20,640
fascination with the occult

973
00:35:25,030 --> 00:35:23,599
astrology nostradamus etc adolf hitler

974
00:35:26,390 --> 00:35:25,040
and his supporters were supposedly

975
00:35:28,630 --> 00:35:26,400
interested in the prospect of

976
00:35:30,870 --> 00:35:28,640
disappearing down a hull

977
00:35:32,630 --> 00:35:30,880
in fact so the story goes hitler and his

978
00:35:35,589 --> 00:35:32,640
followers wanted to create

979
00:35:37,430 --> 00:35:35,599
a race of super soldiers an aryan race

980
00:35:40,310 --> 00:35:37,440
like the atlanteans

981
00:35:41,829 --> 00:35:40,320
to rule the world they escaped the last

982
00:35:43,430 --> 00:35:41,839
days of the third reich

983
00:35:44,950 --> 00:35:43,440
by going through the opening at the

984
00:35:47,990 --> 00:35:44,960
south pole

985
00:35:48,390 --> 00:35:48,000
and they are still there with nazi

986
00:35:51,190 --> 00:35:48,400
design

987
00:35:52,950 --> 00:35:51,200
ufos nazi collaboration with the people

988
00:35:55,190 --> 00:35:52,960
who live in the center of the earth

989
00:35:56,310 --> 00:35:55,200
and the possible explanation for aryan

990
00:35:59,349 --> 00:35:56,320
looking ufo

991
00:36:01,510 --> 00:35:59,359
pilots race to the poll by nazi's

992
00:36:03,030 --> 00:36:01,520
mystery adventure and excitement

993
00:36:05,430 --> 00:36:03,040
it sounds like the plot of an indiana

994
00:36:07,910 --> 00:36:05,440
jones movie and it is

995
00:36:09,990 --> 00:36:07,920
well a story anyway the book indiana

996
00:36:13,430 --> 00:36:10,000
jones and the hollow earth by max mccoy

997
00:36:16,710 --> 00:36:13,440
came out in 1997 and it concerns quote

998
00:36:19,510 --> 00:36:16,720
a violent storm a dying arctic explorer

999
00:36:22,710 --> 00:36:19,520
and a curious wooden box that makes indy

1000
00:36:25,510 --> 00:36:22,720
the target of fanatical nazi agents

1001
00:36:26,390 --> 00:36:25,520
inside the box are a slice of icelandic

1002
00:36:28,950 --> 00:36:26,400
stone

1003
00:36:30,390 --> 00:36:28,960
with mythological powers and a journal

1004
00:36:32,069 --> 00:36:30,400
hinting at the existence of an

1005
00:36:35,109 --> 00:36:32,079
underground civilization

1006
00:36:37,109 --> 00:36:35,119
near the top of the world indy and

1007
00:36:38,310 --> 00:36:37,119
ulla triunes a beautiful danish

1008
00:36:41,430 --> 00:36:38,320
scientist

1009
00:36:43,190 --> 00:36:41,440
set out into the arctic wastes racing

1010
00:36:45,990 --> 00:36:43,200
against nazi explorers

1011
00:36:47,510 --> 00:36:46,000
to search for the lost city their quest

1012
00:36:49,190 --> 00:36:47,520
will lead them to a massive cavern

1013
00:36:52,069 --> 00:36:49,200
beneath the snow

1014
00:36:54,310 --> 00:36:52,079
portal to the legendary ultima thule the

1015
00:36:55,990 --> 00:36:54,320
key to hitler's mad plan for world

1016
00:36:59,030 --> 00:36:56,000
domination

1017
00:37:02,069 --> 00:36:59,040
so the stories of the hole in the poll

1018
00:37:03,030 --> 00:37:02,079
match that pretty much now any

1019
00:37:05,829 --> 00:37:03,040
discussion of

1020
00:37:06,470 --> 00:37:05,839
mad plots eccentric characters and polar

1021
00:37:08,310 --> 00:37:06,480
holes

1022
00:37:10,550 --> 00:37:08,320
must include reference to one of the

1023
00:37:12,790 --> 00:37:10,560
great adventurers and explorers of the

1024
00:37:14,630 --> 00:37:12,800
20th century

1025
00:37:16,390 --> 00:37:14,640
and here i'm referring to rear admiral

1026
00:37:20,829 --> 00:37:16,400
richard evelyn

1027
00:37:22,710 --> 00:37:20,839
bird jr he was born in 1888 and died in

1028
00:37:24,870 --> 00:37:22,720
1957.

1029
00:37:26,790 --> 00:37:24,880
bird was an american naval officer a

1030
00:37:29,190 --> 00:37:26,800
recipient of the medal of honor for an

1031
00:37:32,069 --> 00:37:29,200
achievement he might never have made

1032
00:37:33,910 --> 00:37:32,079
a pioneering aviator and polo explorer

1033
00:37:35,349 --> 00:37:33,920
he was also a leading mason

1034
00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:35,359
was supposedly involved with the

1035
00:37:38,390 --> 00:37:37,440
illuminati and their plans for a new

1036
00:37:40,230 --> 00:37:38,400
world order

1037
00:37:41,910 --> 00:37:40,240
and his early arctic and antarctic

1038
00:37:43,430 --> 00:37:41,920
explorations had been financed by the

1039
00:37:46,069 --> 00:37:43,440
illuminati paymaster

1040
00:37:47,589 --> 00:37:46,079
john d rockefeller now okay that last

1041
00:37:50,550 --> 00:37:47,599
bit is just silly

1042
00:37:52,630 --> 00:37:50,560
but he did have real achievements as a

1043
00:37:54,390 --> 00:37:52,640
naval aviator during world war one he

1044
00:37:55,270 --> 00:37:54,400
developed many techniques for navigating

1045
00:37:58,630 --> 00:37:55,280
airplanes

1046
00:38:01,910 --> 00:37:58,640
over the open oceans including

1047
00:38:04,710 --> 00:38:01,920
drift indicators the sun compass

1048
00:38:06,069 --> 00:38:04,720
and bubble sextance because of this

1049
00:38:07,190 --> 00:38:06,079
background he was involved in the

1050
00:38:10,470 --> 00:38:07,200
planning of the first

1051
00:38:13,349 --> 00:38:10,480
transatlantic flight in 1919 and made

1052
00:38:16,390 --> 00:38:13,359
his own transatlantic flight in 1927

1053
00:38:17,829 --> 00:38:16,400
just six weeks after charles lindbergh

1054
00:38:19,750 --> 00:38:17,839
he would have been earlier but he had

1055
00:38:21,430 --> 00:38:19,760
problems with his plane

1056
00:38:23,349 --> 00:38:21,440
now for the record lindbergh was

1057
00:38:24,870 --> 00:38:23,359
actually the 19th person to cross the

1058
00:38:27,030 --> 00:38:24,880
atlantic in an airplane

1059
00:38:28,069 --> 00:38:27,040
and the 82nd overall if you include

1060
00:38:30,470 --> 00:38:28,079
dirigibles

1061
00:38:31,430 --> 00:38:30,480
or blimps but he was the first to do the

1062
00:38:35,190 --> 00:38:31,440
non-stop flight

1063
00:38:37,750 --> 00:38:35,200
solo bird and his co-pilot floyd bennett

1064
00:38:39,430 --> 00:38:37,760
were awarded the medal of honor in 1926

1065
00:38:41,109 --> 00:38:39,440
for being the first people to fly over

1066
00:38:43,109 --> 00:38:41,119
the north pole

1067
00:38:44,829 --> 00:38:43,119
ticker tape parade and presidential

1068
00:38:45,990 --> 00:38:44,839
greeting from calvin cool is

1069
00:38:48,069 --> 00:38:46,000
notwithstanding

1070
00:38:49,990 --> 00:38:48,079
his achievement has been cast into doubt

1071
00:38:52,470 --> 00:38:50,000
with suggestions he fell short by as

1072
00:38:54,390 --> 00:38:52,480
much as 130 kilometers

1073
00:38:56,390 --> 00:38:54,400
returning to base too quickly for the

1074
00:38:58,310 --> 00:38:56,400
flight to have been successful

1075
00:39:00,230 --> 00:38:58,320
there are also suggestions of a doctored

1076
00:39:01,750 --> 00:39:00,240
flight log

1077
00:39:04,230 --> 00:39:01,760
but a greater interest to this

1078
00:39:06,069 --> 00:39:04,240
particular story a bird's supposed

1079
00:39:08,069 --> 00:39:06,079
claims about the hollow earth

1080
00:39:10,310 --> 00:39:08,079
a hole in the south pole and flying

1081
00:39:12,310 --> 00:39:10,320
saucers in 1946

1082
00:39:15,589 --> 00:39:12,320
bird was appointed officer in charge of

1083
00:39:17,750 --> 00:39:15,599
an antarctic developments project

1084
00:39:20,069 --> 00:39:17,760
his fourth antarctic expedition was code

1085
00:39:21,670 --> 00:39:20,079
named operation high jump

1086
00:39:23,750 --> 00:39:21,680
which was the largest antarctic

1087
00:39:26,550 --> 00:39:23,760
exposition to date and was expected to

1088
00:39:29,990 --> 00:39:26,560
last six to eight months

1089
00:39:32,069 --> 00:39:30,000
according to a supposed secret journal

1090
00:39:34,069 --> 00:39:32,079
and i don't know how everyone knows

1091
00:39:36,550 --> 00:39:34,079
about secret journals but

1092
00:39:37,990 --> 00:39:36,560
it can't be that secret this secret

1093
00:39:40,150 --> 00:39:38,000
journal of his experiences in the

1094
00:39:44,190 --> 00:39:40,160
antarctic titled the inner earth

1095
00:39:47,510 --> 00:39:44,200
my secret diary on february 19

1096
00:39:50,550 --> 00:39:47,520
1947 according to the diary

1097
00:39:51,589 --> 00:39:50,560
bird flew into a sims hull near the

1098
00:39:53,270 --> 00:39:51,599
south pole

1099
00:39:56,310 --> 00:39:53,280
and made contact with the race that

1100
00:39:57,910 --> 00:39:56,320
lives inside the earth

1101
00:39:59,910 --> 00:39:57,920
naturally this report has been covered

1102
00:40:01,829 --> 00:39:59,920
up but like all secrets

1103
00:40:03,670 --> 00:40:01,839
covered up reports it is easily

1104
00:40:05,990 --> 00:40:03,680
available on the net

1105
00:40:07,589 --> 00:40:06,000
you can even buy it on amazon so it's

1106
00:40:09,750 --> 00:40:07,599
not that secret now there's a lot of

1107
00:40:10,630 --> 00:40:09,760
entries in this diary about his trip

1108
00:40:13,109 --> 00:40:10,640
down to the

1109
00:40:14,069 --> 00:40:13,119
the pole and i won't over burden you

1110
00:40:16,069 --> 00:40:14,079
with all of them

1111
00:40:17,750 --> 00:40:16,079
but just note that he flew over it

1112
00:40:20,390 --> 00:40:17,760
planes came across

1113
00:40:21,670 --> 00:40:20,400
pilots waved at him and then he saw

1114
00:40:23,030 --> 00:40:21,680
green land

1115
00:40:24,950 --> 00:40:23,040
below now there shouldn't be any green

1116
00:40:27,510 --> 00:40:24,960
land in antarctica

1117
00:40:29,190 --> 00:40:27,520
but he kept going and his navigation

1118
00:40:31,109 --> 00:40:29,200
instruments were spinning like crazy and

1119
00:40:32,710 --> 00:40:31,119
the gyroscope was oscillating back and

1120
00:40:35,190 --> 00:40:32,720
forth he said

1121
00:40:36,309 --> 00:40:35,200
he altered his altitude and executed a

1122
00:40:39,109 --> 00:40:36,319
sharp left turn

1123
00:40:40,950 --> 00:40:39,119
to better examine the valley is green

1124
00:40:43,190 --> 00:40:40,960
with either moss or a type of

1125
00:40:43,990 --> 00:40:43,200
tight-knit grass the light here seems

1126
00:40:46,150 --> 00:40:44,000
different

1127
00:40:47,349 --> 00:40:46,160
i cannot see the sun anymore we make

1128
00:40:49,190 --> 00:40:47,359
another left turn

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00:40:51,270 --> 00:40:49,200
and we spot what seems to be a large

1130
00:40:53,750 --> 00:40:51,280
animal of some kind below

1131
00:40:55,030 --> 00:40:53,760
it appears to be an elephant no it looks

1132
00:40:57,910 --> 00:40:55,040
more like a mammoth

1133
00:40:59,829 --> 00:40:57,920
this is incredible yet there it is

1134
00:41:00,630 --> 00:40:59,839
decrease altitude to 1 000 feet and take

1135
00:41:02,309 --> 00:41:00,640
binoculars

1136
00:41:03,750 --> 00:41:02,319
to better examine the animal it is

1137
00:41:04,950 --> 00:41:03,760
confirmed it is definitely a

1138
00:41:07,910 --> 00:41:04,960
mammoth-like animal

1139
00:41:09,190 --> 00:41:07,920
report this to base camp he goes on and

1140
00:41:10,230 --> 00:41:09,200
on with more green hills and that sort

1141
00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:10,240
of stuff

1142
00:41:13,910 --> 00:41:12,480
and the countryside below ends up being

1143
00:41:16,390 --> 00:41:13,920
more level and normal

1144
00:41:17,990 --> 00:41:16,400
if i may use that word ahead we spot

1145
00:41:19,910 --> 00:41:18,000
what seems to be a city

1146
00:41:21,430 --> 00:41:19,920
exclamation mark exclamation mark

1147
00:41:24,710 --> 00:41:21,440
exclamation mark

1148
00:41:26,309 --> 00:41:24,720
this is impossible aircraft seems light

1149
00:41:28,870 --> 00:41:26,319
and oddly buoyant

1150
00:41:30,950 --> 00:41:28,880
the controls refuse to respond my god

1151
00:41:32,870 --> 00:41:30,960
exclamation mark exclamation marks

1152
00:41:34,710 --> 00:41:32,880
off our port and starboard wings are a

1153
00:41:37,030 --> 00:41:34,720
strange type of aircraft

1154
00:41:38,230 --> 00:41:37,040
they are closing rapidly alongside they

1155
00:41:40,309 --> 00:41:38,240
are disc shaped

1156
00:41:42,069 --> 00:41:40,319
and have a radiant quality to them and

1157
00:41:45,190 --> 00:41:42,079
don't forget this is the

1158
00:41:47,510 --> 00:41:45,200
diary from 1947 although the book wasn't

1159
00:41:48,870 --> 00:41:47,520
published then

1160
00:41:51,270 --> 00:41:48,880
they are close enough now to see the

1161
00:41:52,550 --> 00:41:51,280
markings on them it is a type of

1162
00:41:54,630 --> 00:41:52,560
swastika

1163
00:41:56,309 --> 00:41:54,640
this is fantastic where are we what has

1164
00:41:57,910 --> 00:41:56,319
happened

1165
00:41:59,990 --> 00:41:57,920
i tug at the controls again they will

1166
00:42:03,750 --> 00:42:00,000
not respond we are caught in an

1167
00:42:06,470 --> 00:42:03,760
invisible vice grip of some type

1168
00:42:08,550 --> 00:42:06,480
later he reports that the this shaped

1169
00:42:09,109 --> 00:42:08,560
craft escorted him to a safe landing

1170
00:42:10,710 --> 00:42:09,119
area

1171
00:42:12,470 --> 00:42:10,720
where he was graciously greeted by

1172
00:42:15,270 --> 00:42:12,480
emissaries from the domain

1173
00:42:16,230 --> 00:42:15,280
of the ariani the inner world of the

1174
00:42:18,790 --> 00:42:16,240
earth

1175
00:42:19,910 --> 00:42:18,800
after having a rest he and his crew were

1176
00:42:23,109 --> 00:42:19,920
taken to meet the king

1177
00:42:24,790 --> 00:42:23,119
and queen of agatha they told him that

1178
00:42:26,630 --> 00:42:24,800
he'd be allowed to enter agatha

1179
00:42:28,150 --> 00:42:26,640
because of his high moral and ethical

1180
00:42:29,589 --> 00:42:28,160
character which is what he described

1181
00:42:30,870 --> 00:42:29,599
himself in the diary

1182
00:42:33,510 --> 00:42:30,880
they went on to say that they were

1183
00:42:35,990 --> 00:42:33,520
worried about the safety of the planet

1184
00:42:37,670 --> 00:42:36,000
due to the atomic bombs and other

1185
00:42:41,430 --> 00:42:37,680
testing done above the surface

1186
00:42:43,109 --> 00:42:41,440
by governments after the visit

1187
00:42:45,750 --> 00:42:43,119
bird and his crew were guided back to

1188
00:42:47,589 --> 00:42:45,760
the surface of the planet

1189
00:42:49,670 --> 00:42:47,599
as justification for revealing these

1190
00:42:52,230 --> 00:42:49,680
events in his secret diary

1191
00:42:53,510 --> 00:42:52,240
bird says that there comes a time when

1192
00:42:55,910 --> 00:42:53,520
the rationality of men

1193
00:42:57,510 --> 00:42:55,920
must fade into insignificance and one

1194
00:43:00,870 --> 00:42:57,520
must accept the inevitability

1195
00:43:02,470 --> 00:43:00,880
of the truth capital t exclamation mark

1196
00:43:04,870 --> 00:43:02,480
i am not at liberty to disclose the

1197
00:43:07,030 --> 00:43:04,880
following documentation at this writing

1198
00:43:08,710 --> 00:43:07,040
any secret journal perhaps it shall

1199
00:43:10,069 --> 00:43:08,720
never see the light of public scrutiny

1200
00:43:12,309 --> 00:43:10,079
you can buy it on amazon

1201
00:43:14,069 --> 00:43:12,319
but i must do my duty and record here

1202
00:43:16,470 --> 00:43:14,079
for all to read one day

1203
00:43:18,150 --> 00:43:16,480
in a world of greed and exploitation of

1204
00:43:20,550 --> 00:43:18,160
certain of mankind

1205
00:43:22,790 --> 00:43:20,560
i can no longer suppress that which is

1206
00:43:25,270 --> 00:43:22,800
truth

1207
00:43:25,990 --> 00:43:25,280
surprisingly there are some people who

1208
00:43:28,790 --> 00:43:26,000
are skeptical

1209
00:43:31,190 --> 00:43:28,800
that the secret diary is genuine they

1210
00:43:34,550 --> 00:43:31,200
suggest that it is the work

1211
00:43:37,670 --> 00:43:34,560
of someone named f amadeo giannini

1212
00:43:39,829 --> 00:43:37,680
whose family founded the bank of italy

1213
00:43:41,190 --> 00:43:39,839
which actually started in san francisco

1214
00:43:42,790 --> 00:43:41,200
which later morphed into the bank of

1215
00:43:44,790 --> 00:43:42,800
america

1216
00:43:46,390 --> 00:43:44,800
alternatively it could be the work of a

1217
00:43:49,349 --> 00:43:46,400
missouri-based organization

1218
00:43:51,109 --> 00:43:49,359
called the society for a complete earth

1219
00:43:53,589 --> 00:43:51,119
which first released the diary in the

1220
00:43:55,829 --> 00:43:53,599
1970s

1221
00:43:57,190 --> 00:43:55,839
in a definitive proof that the 1940

1222
00:44:00,710 --> 00:43:57,200
diary is a fake

1223
00:44:05,510 --> 00:44:00,720
the author of a spanish website la teora

1224
00:44:08,150 --> 00:44:05,520
de la tierra which you can look up

1225
00:44:10,069 --> 00:44:08,160
which is the hollow earth theory it does

1226
00:44:11,910 --> 00:44:10,079
have some english language articles

1227
00:44:13,589 --> 00:44:11,920
points out that the dialogue between

1228
00:44:16,069 --> 00:44:13,599
bird and his agathon

1229
00:44:17,109 --> 00:44:16,079
hosts bears a striking resemblance to

1230
00:44:19,430 --> 00:44:17,119
that

1231
00:44:21,270 --> 00:44:19,440
in a meeting between a tibetan mystic

1232
00:44:25,030 --> 00:44:21,280
and a visitor from outside

1233
00:44:28,069 --> 00:44:25,040
in the 1937 film lost horizon

1234
00:44:31,990 --> 00:44:28,079
unfortunately the author firmly believes

1235
00:44:34,870 --> 00:44:32,000
that photos of the late 60s

1236
00:44:36,069 --> 00:44:34,880
clearly prove the hollow earth he

1237
00:44:39,349 --> 00:44:36,079
believes that this is the case

1238
00:44:41,589 --> 00:44:39,359
even though he doubts bird's diary

1239
00:44:43,910 --> 00:44:41,599
and he muddies what are actually muddied

1240
00:44:46,790 --> 00:44:43,920
waters by confusing the north pole

1241
00:44:47,750 --> 00:44:46,800
with the south pole there's not a lot of

1242
00:44:53,030 --> 00:44:47,760
accuracy

1243
00:44:56,470 --> 00:44:55,990
that's the end of part one of this story

1244
00:44:59,030 --> 00:44:56,480
and

1245
00:44:59,750 --> 00:44:59,040
in part two we'll be looking at those

1246
00:45:02,950 --> 00:44:59,760
photos

1247
00:45:04,790 --> 00:45:02,960
of the whole in the polls and then

1248
00:45:05,109 --> 00:45:04,800
follow up later with some of the people

1249
00:45:08,309 --> 00:45:05,119
who

1250
00:45:19,300 --> 00:45:08,319
spend time searching for the hull it's

1251
00:45:24,790 --> 00:45:19,310
an interesting story

1252
00:45:28,390 --> 00:45:27,109
hey fellow skeptics ben radford here

1253
00:45:29,910 --> 00:45:28,400
with celestia ward

1254
00:45:32,309 --> 00:45:29,920
your friendly host of squaring the

1255
00:45:35,030 --> 00:45:32,319
strange a podcast that looks at topics

1256
00:45:37,349 --> 00:45:35,040
ranging from legends panics and cryptids

1257
00:45:39,109 --> 00:45:37,359
to media myths psychology and folklore

1258
00:45:39,670 --> 00:45:39,119
breaking things down and picking things

1259
00:45:41,750 --> 00:45:39,680
apart

1260
00:45:43,670 --> 00:45:41,760
as we skeptics do we bring a few

1261
00:45:45,430 --> 00:45:43,680
different perspectives on things

1262
00:45:46,790 --> 00:45:45,440
celestia for example is a witty

1263
00:45:48,309 --> 00:45:46,800
cartoonist and ben

1264
00:45:50,309 --> 00:45:48,319
is a brilliant writer and long time

1265
00:45:50,870 --> 00:45:50,319
skeptical investigator we don't always

1266
00:45:53,030 --> 00:45:50,880
agree

1267
00:45:55,589 --> 00:45:53,040
but we have fun trying and we learn new

1268
00:45:56,150 --> 00:45:55,599
things join us for new topics every week

1269
00:45:58,309 --> 00:45:56,160
or two

1270
00:45:59,990 --> 00:45:58,319
or browse our backlog of evergreen

1271
00:46:02,470 --> 00:46:00,000
episodes available on

1272
00:46:03,190 --> 00:46:02,480
itunes and all your podcast feeding

1273
00:46:12,829 --> 00:46:03,200
troughs

1274
00:46:12,839 --> 00:46:17,220
bye-bye

1275
00:46:17,230 --> 00:46:28,870
[Music]

1276
00:46:32,630 --> 00:46:31,430
melbourne beautiful one day a bit rainy

1277
00:46:34,470 --> 00:46:32,640
the next

1278
00:46:36,150 --> 00:46:34,480
i've been here for a few days staying

1279
00:46:37,270 --> 00:46:36,160
with my good friend dr steve roberts and

1280
00:46:39,990 --> 00:46:37,280
first

1281
00:46:41,670 --> 00:46:40,000
day i was here we were looking for air

1282
00:46:41,990 --> 00:46:41,680
conditioning and cool drinks now we're

1283
00:46:44,790 --> 00:46:42,000
looking

1284
00:46:46,550 --> 00:46:44,800
for warmth i'm near flinders street the

1285
00:46:48,390 --> 00:46:46,560
famous flinders street

1286
00:46:50,069 --> 00:46:48,400
the trams are rolling by and i'm with

1287
00:46:52,230 --> 00:46:50,079
michelle vickersma who is the

1288
00:46:53,510 --> 00:46:52,240
secretary for the vic skeptics that's

1289
00:46:55,030 --> 00:46:53,520
right richard hello

1290
00:46:56,790 --> 00:46:55,040
it's nice to be here and chat to you

1291
00:46:58,150 --> 00:46:56,800
about this hey i'm really looking

1292
00:46:59,510 --> 00:46:58,160
forward to it because of course we're

1293
00:47:01,030 --> 00:46:59,520
going to be talking about the upcoming

1294
00:47:03,829 --> 00:47:01,040
skepticon

1295
00:47:05,190 --> 00:47:03,839
and just over a month away now the

1296
00:47:09,670 --> 00:47:05,200
countdown's on

1297
00:47:13,190 --> 00:47:09,680
excited i'm really excited and i

1298
00:47:15,109 --> 00:47:13,200
am counting down for sure i can't wait

1299
00:47:17,270 --> 00:47:15,119
i loved the last one that was here in

1300
00:47:19,190 --> 00:47:17,280
melbourne and i'm just

1301
00:47:21,190 --> 00:47:19,200
thrilled that we're having another one

1302
00:47:23,109 --> 00:47:21,200
yeah um yeah i can't wait

1303
00:47:25,349 --> 00:47:23,119
i mean uh i guess i've been lucky enough

1304
00:47:27,990 --> 00:47:25,359
to be here in melbourne for

1305
00:47:29,270 --> 00:47:28,000
four three or four conventions sadly i

1306
00:47:30,309 --> 00:47:29,280
missed the last melbourne when i

1307
00:47:31,829 --> 00:47:30,319
couldn't make it

1308
00:47:35,190 --> 00:47:31,839
but i remember coming here in the early

1309
00:47:37,270 --> 00:47:35,200
2000s and then the mid-2000s and

1310
00:47:39,190 --> 00:47:37,280
so on to various conventions always a

1311
00:47:41,510 --> 00:47:39,200
great time now we have a list

1312
00:47:43,349 --> 00:47:41,520
in front of us of some of the speakers

1313
00:47:44,790 --> 00:47:43,359
oh hello

1314
00:47:47,030 --> 00:47:44,800
it's all happening downtown melbourne

1315
00:47:48,710 --> 00:47:47,040
what's that low-flying helicopter they

1316
00:47:51,750 --> 00:47:48,720
found us at last

1317
00:47:55,349 --> 00:47:51,760
they're just a tourist yeah helicopter

1318
00:47:58,950 --> 00:47:55,359
helicopter wow

1319
00:48:02,470 --> 00:47:58,960
there it goes there it goes yeah it's uh

1320
00:48:04,630 --> 00:48:02,480
red yeah red and yellow i think

1321
00:48:05,510 --> 00:48:04,640
so you can take helicopter rides through

1322
00:48:07,829 --> 00:48:05,520
over melbourne

1323
00:48:08,549 --> 00:48:07,839
yeah just further along the river down

1324
00:48:11,030 --> 00:48:08,559
opposite

1325
00:48:12,790 --> 00:48:11,040
south wharf that i walked past the

1326
00:48:15,349 --> 00:48:12,800
helicopter pad

1327
00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:15,359
and the blades were going and it was

1328
00:48:18,950 --> 00:48:16,800
very loud

1329
00:48:20,069 --> 00:48:18,960
so that's why that's how i knew there

1330
00:48:21,829 --> 00:48:20,079
you are folks if you're coming to

1331
00:48:23,829 --> 00:48:21,839
melbourne you might want to take a

1332
00:48:25,750 --> 00:48:23,839
helicopter ride over the city but we're

1333
00:48:27,829 --> 00:48:25,760
just having a quick uh look at the

1334
00:48:29,430 --> 00:48:27,839
lineup of guests and what an impressive

1335
00:48:31,750 --> 00:48:29,440
lineup it is of course

1336
00:48:33,510 --> 00:48:31,760
the international guests are headed up

1337
00:48:34,390 --> 00:48:33,520
by the skeptic's guide to the universe

1338
00:48:35,910 --> 00:48:34,400
crew

1339
00:48:37,430 --> 00:48:35,920
and i know a lot of the skeptic's own

1340
00:48:38,230 --> 00:48:37,440
listeners listen to the skeptic's guide

1341
00:48:39,910 --> 00:48:38,240
to the universe and

1342
00:48:41,990 --> 00:48:39,920
now it's their opportunity to meet them

1343
00:48:42,790 --> 00:48:42,000
in person yes that's really exciting

1344
00:48:45,430 --> 00:48:42,800
that was my

1345
00:48:47,190 --> 00:48:45,440
first foray into skepticism really just

1346
00:48:48,710 --> 00:48:47,200
searching for things that i thought

1347
00:48:52,309 --> 00:48:48,720
sounded a little bit dodgy

1348
00:48:55,589 --> 00:48:52,319
on the internet and coming across um

1349
00:48:57,430 --> 00:48:55,599
steve novella's blog yeah reading a lot

1350
00:49:00,230 --> 00:48:57,440
of stuff on there that was

1351
00:49:01,750 --> 00:49:00,240
my entry really so i'm very excited to

1352
00:49:02,309 --> 00:49:01,760
see them after listening to them for

1353
00:49:03,670 --> 00:49:02,319
years

1354
00:49:06,150 --> 00:49:03,680
that's fantastic yeah i know a lot of

1355
00:49:07,510 --> 00:49:06,160
people are i'm i'm delighted to see them

1356
00:49:10,230 --> 00:49:07,520
because uh

1357
00:49:10,950 --> 00:49:10,240
i i've known the rogues now for some

1358
00:49:13,270 --> 00:49:10,960
years and

1359
00:49:15,270 --> 00:49:13,280
it's always a thrill to see them and

1360
00:49:17,589 --> 00:49:15,280
also of course we've got susan gerbic

1361
00:49:20,549 --> 00:49:17,599
from gorilla skepticism on wikipedia

1362
00:49:23,109 --> 00:49:20,559
and mark edward the mentalist yes that's

1363
00:49:25,109 --> 00:49:23,119
exciting as well and i met susan last

1364
00:49:27,109 --> 00:49:25,119
time when she was here and was lucky to

1365
00:49:31,109 --> 00:49:27,119
spend a day with her

1366
00:49:34,069 --> 00:49:31,119
and yeah but i've yet to

1367
00:49:35,510 --> 00:49:34,079
meet mark and see his seance which i'm

1368
00:49:36,790 --> 00:49:35,520
very much looking forward to

1369
00:49:39,109 --> 00:49:36,800
it'll be a highlight hello we've been

1370
00:49:40,420 --> 00:49:39,119
invaded by birds now it's all

1371
00:49:42,230 --> 00:49:40,430
they are under the table

1372
00:49:44,390 --> 00:49:42,240
[Music]

1373
00:49:46,390 --> 00:49:44,400
it's an exciting place melbourne it

1374
00:49:48,950 --> 00:49:46,400
seems lots of things are descending

1375
00:49:49,990 --> 00:49:48,960
from the sky to to visit us at the

1376
00:49:51,270 --> 00:49:50,000
moment

1377
00:49:53,030 --> 00:49:51,280
now let's have a look at some of the

1378
00:49:55,190 --> 00:49:53,040
interstate the australian speakers uh

1379
00:49:57,349 --> 00:49:55,200
we've got dr brad mackay of course from

1380
00:49:59,190 --> 00:49:57,359
tv the tv doctor he's also part of the

1381
00:50:00,870 --> 00:49:59,200
new south wales skeptics committee

1382
00:50:02,230 --> 00:50:00,880
really looking forward to anything dr

1383
00:50:05,589 --> 00:50:02,240
brad has to say he's a

1384
00:50:09,190 --> 00:50:05,599
fantastic guy and who else we've got

1385
00:50:12,790 --> 00:50:09,200
we've got sue urachi and

1386
00:50:13,670 --> 00:50:12,800
matt nurse belch coming down from

1387
00:50:17,109 --> 00:50:13,680
queensland

1388
00:50:17,750 --> 00:50:17,119
and jo thornley who i'm really looking

1389
00:50:21,190 --> 00:50:17,760
forward to

1390
00:50:23,030 --> 00:50:21,200
because of her podcast of cults

1391
00:50:25,589 --> 00:50:23,040
that i've been listening to and i read

1392
00:50:28,630 --> 00:50:25,599
her book and who doesn't love a cult

1393
00:50:30,309 --> 00:50:28,640
yeah and in fact i i i know joe from

1394
00:50:32,470 --> 00:50:30,319
many years back and i interviewed her

1395
00:50:33,670 --> 00:50:32,480
oh not so long ago and after i

1396
00:50:35,109 --> 00:50:33,680
interviewed her i started listening to

1397
00:50:37,589 --> 00:50:35,119
all her podcasts

1398
00:50:38,630 --> 00:50:37,599
the uh the cults what's it called it's

1399
00:50:41,750 --> 00:50:38,640
called um

1400
00:50:42,470 --> 00:50:41,760
sell it zealot yes yeah the podcast is

1401
00:50:44,390 --> 00:50:42,480
called zealot

1402
00:50:45,990 --> 00:50:44,400
and it's very relaxed and it's almost

1403
00:50:47,190 --> 00:50:46,000
like they've had a few too many glasses

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of champagne but

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it's a really interesting uh podcast and

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00:50:55,589 --> 00:50:52,160
we've got some local speakers of course

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00:50:58,630 --> 00:50:55,599
yes we've got fiona fiddler and

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00:51:02,069 --> 00:50:58,640
brendan o'brien who

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00:51:05,430 --> 00:51:02,079
has a podcast as well astrophys

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00:51:07,990 --> 00:51:05,440
tina hannigan and nicholas j

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00:51:08,790 --> 00:51:08,000
johnson of who of course is a magician

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00:51:12,630 --> 00:51:08,800
and

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um the honest con man i believe is his

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00:51:15,670 --> 00:51:13,200
moniker

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00:51:17,510 --> 00:51:15,680
right so he's very entertaining and was

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00:51:19,990 --> 00:51:17,520
a must-have at the convention

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00:51:21,030 --> 00:51:20,000
after emceeing at the dinner at our last

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00:51:24,150 --> 00:51:21,040
one

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00:51:25,589 --> 00:51:24,160
um yeah he's actually going to present

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00:51:27,510 --> 00:51:25,599
at the convention this time

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00:51:29,030 --> 00:51:27,520
right i mean skeptics and magicians have

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00:51:30,790 --> 00:51:29,040
a long and happy relationship

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00:51:32,309 --> 00:51:30,800
really well look at james randy of

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00:51:34,150 --> 00:51:32,319
course the ultimate uh

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00:51:37,190 --> 00:51:34,160
combination of a skeptical magician i

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00:51:40,470 --> 00:51:37,200
suppose that's right and we'll have um

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00:51:43,829 --> 00:51:40,480
beyond sharma another magician and

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00:51:46,390 --> 00:51:43,839
uh dinner i think he is um

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00:51:47,589 --> 00:51:46,400
the emcee for the dinner on saturday

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00:51:50,710 --> 00:51:47,599
night fantastic

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00:51:52,390 --> 00:51:50,720
and lee murray now lee spoke at

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00:51:54,870 --> 00:51:52,400
skepticon last year in sydney

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00:51:56,549 --> 00:51:54,880
linguistics fascinating absolutely

1434
00:51:58,390 --> 00:51:56,559
brilliant just just

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00:52:00,069 --> 00:51:58,400
one of my favorite talks i think of the

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00:52:02,069 --> 00:52:00,079
the whole thing it's it's

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00:52:03,670 --> 00:52:02,079
really amazing the things that we get to

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00:52:04,630 --> 00:52:03,680
hear about in the skeptical movement

1439
00:52:06,710 --> 00:52:04,640
isn't it it's not just

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00:52:08,150 --> 00:52:06,720
ghosts and ufos anymore it's more than

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00:52:10,309 --> 00:52:08,160
that very much

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00:52:11,910 --> 00:52:10,319
well i think lee was discovered at

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00:52:15,990 --> 00:52:11,920
skepticamp

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00:52:18,470 --> 00:52:16,000
aries inlet possibly

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00:52:20,790 --> 00:52:18,480
through zola and james who ran that

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00:52:23,589 --> 00:52:20,800
because they are

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00:52:25,270 --> 00:52:23,599
speech therapists or speech pathologists

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00:52:28,630 --> 00:52:25,280
and they work in schools

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00:52:30,150 --> 00:52:28,640
so there may be some connection to lee

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00:52:33,510 --> 00:52:30,160
i'm not entirely sure

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00:52:35,030 --> 00:52:33,520
but we did uh first see lee at skepta

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00:52:37,190 --> 00:52:35,040
camp i believe yeah

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00:52:39,030 --> 00:52:37,200
where she was to stop it that's great

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00:52:41,430 --> 00:52:39,040
and uh who else we got there

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00:52:42,230 --> 00:52:41,440
hannah middleton okay well hannah

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00:52:44,549 --> 00:52:42,240
middleton

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00:52:46,150 --> 00:52:44,559
is going to present a talk called

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00:52:48,710 --> 00:52:46,160
listening to the universe

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00:52:49,670 --> 00:52:48,720
with gravitational waves of course yes

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00:52:53,190 --> 00:52:49,680
yes yes yes

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00:52:56,069 --> 00:52:53,200
and again one of the committee members

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00:52:58,390 --> 00:52:56,079
lana babikina knows hannah and

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00:53:00,069 --> 00:52:58,400
recommended that she speak at our monday

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00:53:03,270 --> 00:53:00,079
night skeptic cafe

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00:53:05,270 --> 00:53:03,280
and we were blown away by hannah and

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00:53:06,390 --> 00:53:05,280
the committee who were mostly there

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00:53:08,710 --> 00:53:06,400
unanimously

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00:53:09,910 --> 00:53:08,720
agreed that we had to secure her for

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00:53:13,990 --> 00:53:09,920
skepticon

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00:53:17,349 --> 00:53:14,000
she had a brilliant gorgeous slideshow

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00:53:18,069 --> 00:53:17,359
of um presenting her she explained it in

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00:53:21,750 --> 00:53:18,079
layman's

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00:53:25,109 --> 00:53:21,760
terms so that we could all understand it

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00:53:26,309 --> 00:53:25,119
and she's also the editor of ligo

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00:53:29,270 --> 00:53:26,319
magazine

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00:53:30,630 --> 00:53:29,280
that you can download online so very

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00:53:32,790 --> 00:53:30,640
fascinating

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00:53:34,150 --> 00:53:32,800
that's that's fantastic there'll

1479
00:53:37,190 --> 00:53:34,160
probably be other people

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00:53:38,309 --> 00:53:37,200
along um at the convention you can chat

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00:53:40,150 --> 00:53:38,319
to interesting people

1482
00:53:42,230 --> 00:53:40,160
there's also a medical panel headed up

1483
00:53:45,270 --> 00:53:42,240
by ken harvey ken harvey of course a

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00:53:47,670 --> 00:53:45,280
well-known active uh skeptic

1485
00:53:48,549 --> 00:53:47,680
activist very much so with his

1486
00:53:51,430 --> 00:53:48,559
whack-a-mole

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00:53:53,030 --> 00:53:51,440
projects i'll get our friend steve

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00:53:54,630 --> 00:53:53,040
roberts who's just about to dive

1489
00:53:56,230 --> 00:53:54,640
as we are all about to dive into our

1490
00:53:58,309 --> 00:53:56,240
lovely coffee here on a cool

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00:53:59,510 --> 00:53:58,319
melbourne day to take the photograph the

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00:54:00,950 --> 00:53:59,520
official

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00:54:02,630 --> 00:54:00,960
photograph of this interview and i'll

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00:54:03,510 --> 00:54:02,640
put that up so folks if you're listening

1495
00:54:07,430 --> 00:54:03,520
to this on

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00:54:08,150 --> 00:54:07,440
your apple device the chapters that come

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00:54:11,030 --> 00:54:08,160
up will have

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00:54:12,710 --> 00:54:11,040
an image and you can see us chatting

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00:54:15,750 --> 00:54:12,720
there we are click click

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00:54:17,670 --> 00:54:15,760
thank you steve well

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00:54:19,109 --> 00:54:17,680
hello as i destroy the table behind me

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00:54:20,150 --> 00:54:19,119
michelle thank you so much for this

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00:54:22,549 --> 00:54:20,160
quick catch up

1504
00:54:24,870 --> 00:54:22,559
it's really exciting and folks if you

1505
00:54:27,349 --> 00:54:24,880
haven't got your ticket for skepticon

1506
00:54:31,109 --> 00:54:27,359
yet don't delay any longer of course the

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00:54:32,390 --> 00:54:31,119
website is skeptycon.org.au

1508
00:54:33,750 --> 00:54:32,400
get all the information about the

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00:54:34,790 --> 00:54:33,760
speakers you can buy your tickets

1510
00:54:38,069 --> 00:54:34,800
straight away

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00:54:38,710 --> 00:54:38,079
and we look forward to seeing you in a

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00:54:41,910 --> 00:54:38,720
very

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00:54:44,870 --> 00:54:41,920
few number of weeks yes so it all

1514
00:54:46,950 --> 00:54:44,880
takes off with um trivia night on the

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00:54:48,789 --> 00:54:46,960
thursday which is just an informal

1516
00:54:51,589 --> 00:54:48,799
fundraiser for us

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00:54:52,950 --> 00:54:51,599
at the clyde hotel and then we have our

1518
00:54:55,430 --> 00:54:52,960
meet and greet

1519
00:54:56,789 --> 00:54:55,440
at the dan o'connell hotel on friday

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00:54:59,910 --> 00:54:56,799
night where

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00:55:00,390 --> 00:54:59,920
uh convention ticket holders can attend

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00:55:02,789 --> 00:55:00,400
and just

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00:55:04,069 --> 00:55:02,799
mingle with the speakers the committee

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00:55:06,950 --> 00:55:04,079
each other

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00:55:09,109 --> 00:55:06,960
that's going to be a really fun night um

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00:55:11,910 --> 00:55:09,119
then of course the two main days yeah

1527
00:55:13,349 --> 00:55:11,920
off this convention itself excellent and

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00:55:14,950 --> 00:55:13,359
folks don't forget too

1529
00:55:17,190 --> 00:55:14,960
but if you come along to skepticon you

1530
00:55:19,670 --> 00:55:17,200
will probably be interviewed by maynard

1531
00:55:20,789 --> 00:55:19,680
because he likes to interview just about

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00:55:23,910 --> 00:55:20,799
everybody well

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00:55:25,829 --> 00:55:23,920
as the sun tries to speak through

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00:55:27,750 --> 00:55:25,839
flinders street above linda street

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00:55:29,750 --> 00:55:27,760
station there and the trams rolling by

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00:55:31,750 --> 00:55:29,760
michelle bickersmart thank you very much

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00:55:38,069 --> 00:55:31,760
thanks richard you're most welcome

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00:55:41,430 --> 00:55:39,750
hey guys this is bob novella from the

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00:55:43,829 --> 00:55:41,440
skeptic's guide to the universe

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00:55:45,670 --> 00:55:43,839
we are so excited to come to australia i

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00:55:46,630 --> 00:55:45,680
love australia i love the people but i'm

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00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:46,640
really coming down

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[Music]

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hello on our netherlands of this moment

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[Applause]

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00:56:14,839 --> 00:56:24,789
tv

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00:56:28,950 --> 00:56:26,470
thank you for listening to the skeptic

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00:56:30,390 --> 00:56:28,960
zone now it's come to my attention in

1549
00:56:33,510 --> 00:56:30,400
the last week that

1550
00:56:36,230 --> 00:56:33,520
there is a petition doing the rounds

1551
00:56:36,950 --> 00:56:36,240
one of these online petitions to help

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00:56:40,069 --> 00:56:36,960
bring back

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00:56:42,829 --> 00:56:40,079
tv show i enjoyed watching it was called

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00:56:44,150 --> 00:56:42,839
the checkout now technically the

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00:56:47,430 --> 00:56:44,160
checkout

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00:56:49,270 --> 00:56:47,440
is on hiatus and

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00:56:51,190 --> 00:56:49,280
i don't know what that means but it

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00:56:54,309 --> 00:56:51,200
hasn't come back to our screens in

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00:56:57,670 --> 00:56:54,319
over a year this is an australian show

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00:56:58,710 --> 00:56:57,680
all about consumer affairs what are your

1561
00:57:01,510 --> 00:56:58,720
rights

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00:57:03,270 --> 00:57:01,520
but it was much admired in the skeptical

1563
00:57:06,710 --> 00:57:03,280
community because of its

1564
00:57:09,430 --> 00:57:06,720
uh very strong stand against things like

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00:57:11,430 --> 00:57:09,440
quackery and pharmacy and calling out

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00:57:15,270 --> 00:57:11,440
homeopathy for the

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00:57:17,270 --> 00:57:15,280
nonsense that it is now i will link

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00:57:18,870 --> 00:57:17,280
to that petition in the show notes if

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00:57:20,630 --> 00:57:18,880
you're in australia and you enjoyed

1570
00:57:23,190 --> 00:57:20,640
watching the checkout

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00:57:25,190 --> 00:57:23,200
um it might be worth signing this

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00:57:27,349 --> 00:57:25,200
petition and hopefully the show can come

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00:57:27,990 --> 00:57:27,359
back i'll also link in this week's show

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00:57:30,710 --> 00:57:28,000
notes to

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00:57:31,109 --> 00:57:30,720
one of the videos from the checkout

1576
00:57:34,390 --> 00:57:31,119
which

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00:57:37,750 --> 00:57:34,400
really rips into pharmacies in australia

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00:57:39,109 --> 00:57:37,760
for selling nonsense and sadly most

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00:57:42,150 --> 00:57:39,119
pharmacies

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00:57:43,430 --> 00:57:42,160
stock quackery i'm also very excited

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00:57:45,910 --> 00:57:43,440
about the upcoming

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00:57:47,910 --> 00:57:45,920
skepticon in melbourne i'll be there

1583
00:57:48,870 --> 00:57:47,920
with maynard running around doing

1584
00:57:50,150 --> 00:57:48,880
interviews

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00:57:52,549 --> 00:57:50,160
and i think the good people the

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00:57:54,470 --> 00:57:52,559
victorian skeptics will put me to

1587
00:57:56,390 --> 00:57:54,480
other work while i'm down there there's

1588
00:57:56,789 --> 00:57:56,400
a good chance folks a very good chance

1589
00:57:59,190 --> 00:57:56,799
that

1590
00:58:00,710 --> 00:57:59,200
if you come along to skepticon you'll be

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00:58:02,069 --> 00:58:00,720
interviewed for the skeptic's own

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00:58:03,750 --> 00:58:02,079
podcast

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00:58:05,670 --> 00:58:03,760
and if you see me or may not running

1594
00:58:08,950 --> 00:58:05,680
around with microphones

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00:58:11,349 --> 00:58:08,960
say hello a big thank you a big shout

1596
00:58:13,190 --> 00:58:11,359
out as ever to those wonderful people

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00:58:14,950 --> 00:58:13,200
wonderful listeners who support the

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00:58:19,030 --> 00:58:14,960
skeptic zone financially

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00:58:21,510 --> 00:58:19,040
paypal or patreon at skepticzone.tv

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00:58:23,270 --> 00:58:21,520
and it can only be a couple of dollars a

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00:58:24,230 --> 00:58:23,280
week but you know what if enough people

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00:58:26,870 --> 00:58:24,240
do it

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00:58:27,670 --> 00:58:26,880
it adds up and means the show can keep

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00:58:30,150 --> 00:58:27,680
going

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00:58:31,190 --> 00:58:30,160
and what's a couple of dollars a week

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00:58:33,589 --> 00:58:31,200
what's three dollars

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00:58:35,190 --> 00:58:33,599
what's five dollars a week it's money

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00:58:38,950 --> 00:58:35,200
you'll never miss

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00:58:42,230 --> 00:58:38,960
but collectively it means a lot

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00:58:42,870 --> 00:58:42,240
here at the skeptic zone but for this

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week

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00:58:50,870 --> 00:58:45,119
this is richard saunders signing off

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00:58:52,630 --> 00:58:50,880
from sydney australia

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00:58:54,069 --> 00:58:52,640
you've been listening to the skeptic

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